The best of gloves. Have a look at the photo. My mk I s, over 10 years old and 50k miles. No rips, tears or poor stitches. They have been soaked and abused on many trips, but still waterproof. On my last trip the liner started to be a problem with wet hands, so the new pair are there for the wet and probably won't see a dry day until the old ones fully retire. The liner in the new pair feels even better and more secure. When it is too cold for these I really don't want to be on a bike and when it is hot, they are as cool as a pair of summer gloves. Tremendous gloves and worth the price. I go a size up just for a little bit more room, but my standard size also works for me.